“If you could simplify this conversation, it would be to gamify your success. It would be to turn what you have going on into a game where there is a level where there is this consistent hierarchy of achievement.”

Who said it, and where.

Who said “If you could simplify this conversation, it would be to gamify your success. It would be…”? Isaac Mashman said it on his podcast, Chase the Vision, in the episode "Why Not?", published November 29, 2021.