“You don't want pure fame. You want fame and influence because together, that's where things really start to get good because you have enough visibility.”

Who said it, and where.

Who said “You don't want pure fame. You want fame and influence because together, that's where…”? Isaac Mashman said it as a guest on The Bubbles Effect with Nicole Bernard, in the episode "Bubbles and Biz Wednesday Power Hour with Isaac Mashman", published July 16, 2025.